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	<title>Comments on: Wikia: fast pages retain users</title>
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		<title>By: Heiko Specht</title>
		<link>http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2009/07/27/wikia-fast-pages-retain-users/#comment-3329</link>
		<dc:creator>Heiko Specht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve,

I have a neet example too where you can see the following:
- The more users the slower the page
- The slower the page the more users abandon the page load (wether they click on the link before the page is completely loaded or the leave the page totally)
Example here: http://www.kiutalk.de/jk/abandonment_chart.png

If now the users leave the page before it is loaded completely it might not effect the conversion directly but everyone should be aware that users might not be tracked with all the fancy trackers which are located at the end of the list of objects to be loaded or where the postback is tied to the page completion event. 

This said: Be aware of the fact that users leave early and your numbers might be incorrect.

Best regards
Heiko</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>I have a neet example too where you can see the following:<br />
- The more users the slower the page<br />
- The slower the page the more users abandon the page load (wether they click on the link before the page is completely loaded or the leave the page totally)<br />
Example here: <a href="http://www.kiutalk.de/jk/abandonment_chart.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.kiutalk.de/jk/abandonment_chart.png</a></p>
<p>If now the users leave the page before it is loaded completely it might not effect the conversion directly but everyone should be aware that users might not be tracked with all the fancy trackers which are located at the end of the list of objects to be loaded or where the postback is tied to the page completion event. </p>
<p>This said: Be aware of the fact that users leave early and your numbers might be incorrect.</p>
<p>Best regards<br />
Heiko</p>
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		<title>By: ROBERT Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2009/07/27/wikia-fast-pages-retain-users/#comment-2011</link>
		<dc:creator>ROBERT Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a look to : http://blog.vkistudios.com/index.cfm/2009/5/21/Slow-loading-times-Track-them-with-GA-Google-Analytics-Power-User-11

and to http://www.hoc.net/~mike/source/page_load_rtt/Howto_Measure_Page_Load_Time.html

It&#039;s seems to be better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look to : <a href="http://blog.vkistudios.com/index.cfm/2009/5/21/Slow-loading-times-Track-them-with-GA-Google-Analytics-Power-User-11" rel="nofollow">http://blog.vkistudios.com/index.cfm/2009/5/21/Slow-loading-times-Track-them-with-GA-Google-Analytics-Power-User-11</a></p>
<p>and to <a href="http://www.hoc.net/~mike/source/page_load_rtt/Howto_Measure_Page_Load_Time.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hoc.net/~mike/source/page_load_rtt/Howto_Measure_Page_Load_Time.html</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s seems to be better.</p>
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		<title>By: ROBERT Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2009/07/27/wikia-fast-pages-retain-users/#comment-2001</link>
		<dc:creator>ROBERT Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition, they should use something like jquery function &quot;$(document).ready&quot;, because in their method there is no guarantee that all images, js and css have been loaded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition, they should use something like jquery function &#8220;$(document).ready&#8221;, because in their method there is no guarantee that all images, js and css have been loaded.</p>
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		<title>By: ROBERT Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2009/07/27/wikia-fast-pages-retain-users/#comment-2000</link>
		<dc:creator>ROBERT Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be careful ! The wikia&#039;s method is computing the time to render the page on browser because of javascript. In no case it&#039;s the time to computing the page on their servers, neither the transfer time over the network. Especially since they use Varnish, pages are always buffered, therefor the javascript begin when when all the page have been sended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be careful ! The wikia&#8217;s method is computing the time to render the page on browser because of javascript. In no case it&#8217;s the time to computing the page on their servers, neither the transfer time over the network. Especially since they use Varnish, pages are always buffered, therefor the javascript begin when when all the page have been sended.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Souders</title>
		<link>http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2009/07/27/wikia-fast-pages-retain-users/#comment-884</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Souders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jan: There&#039;s no artificial delay. These are the actual load times of the pages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jan: There&#8217;s no artificial delay. These are the actual load times of the pages.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Pfeifer</title>
		<link>http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2009/07/27/wikia-fast-pages-retain-users/#comment-883</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Pfeifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how the graph was sampled. 

The first thing that comes to mind is that the delay was not artificially (and randomly) generated.

The faster pages (towards 1s) were those cached ... which means they were the most visited and possibly with lower exit rate for other reasons other than time.

Meaning that there could be correlation but not causality between time and exit rate. And the conclusions could therefore be very skewed.

I browsed over the PDF but couldn&#039;t read anything about how the sampling was done.

Any ideas anyone ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how the graph was sampled. </p>
<p>The first thing that comes to mind is that the delay was not artificially (and randomly) generated.</p>
<p>The faster pages (towards 1s) were those cached &#8230; which means they were the most visited and possibly with lower exit rate for other reasons other than time.</p>
<p>Meaning that there could be correlation but not causality between time and exit rate. And the conclusions could therefore be very skewed.</p>
<p>I browsed over the PDF but couldn&#8217;t read anything about how the sampling was done.</p>
<p>Any ideas anyone ?</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2009/07/27/wikia-fast-pages-retain-users/#comment-744</link>
		<dc:creator>Oscar Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Eric,

the bounce rate has decreased from 25.91% to 21.45% and the conversions has increased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric,</p>
<p>the bounce rate has decreased from 25.91% to 21.45% and the conversions has increased.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Schurr</title>
		<link>http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2009/07/27/wikia-fast-pages-retain-users/#comment-740</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Schurr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oscar -- how did you quantify the improvement in conversion rates?  how did you correlate web site performance with your business performance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oscar &#8212; how did you quantify the improvement in conversion rates?  how did you correlate web site performance with your business performance?</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2009/07/27/wikia-fast-pages-retain-users/#comment-733</link>
		<dc:creator>Oscar Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have improved conversion rates by optimizing the website www.todocespedartificial.es. The result is better than expected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have improved conversion rates by optimizing the website <a href="http://www.todocespedartificial.es" rel="nofollow">http://www.todocespedartificial.es</a>. The result is better than expected.</p>
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		<title>By: fearphage</title>
		<link>http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2009/07/27/wikia-fast-pages-retain-users/#comment-731</link>
		<dc:creator>fearphage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arthur,

I&#039;d suggest you use the built-in functionality that does what you want instead (Number.prototype.toFixed).

if (typeof window.wgNow == &#039;object&#039;) {
  //var pageTime = ((new Date() - wgNow) / 1000).toFixed(1) // Round to 1 decimal
  //var slashtime = &#039;/skin_name/&#039; + ((new Date() - wgNow) / 1000).toFixed(1).toString().replace(&#039;.&#039;, &#039;/&#039;);
  _uff = 0;
  _uacct = &#039;UA-xxxxxxx-42&#039;;
  urchinTracker(&#039;/skin_name/&#039; + ((new Date() - wgNow) / 1000).toFixed(1).toString().replace(&#039;.&#039;, &#039;/&#039;));
}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arthur,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest you use the built-in functionality that does what you want instead (Number.prototype.toFixed).</p>
<p>if (typeof window.wgNow == &#8216;object&#8217;) {<br />
  //var pageTime = ((new Date() &#8211; wgNow) / 1000).toFixed(1) // Round to 1 decimal<br />
  //var slashtime = &#8216;/skin_name/&#8217; + ((new Date() &#8211; wgNow) / 1000).toFixed(1).toString().replace(&#8216;.&#8217;, &#8216;/&#8217;);<br />
  _uff = 0;<br />
  _uacct = &#8216;UA-xxxxxxx-42&#8242;;<br />
  urchinTracker(&#8216;/skin_name/&#8217; + ((new Date() &#8211; wgNow) / 1000).toFixed(1).toString().replace(&#8216;.&#8217;, &#8216;/&#8217;));<br />
}</p>
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